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The Body Image Class Discussion Samples

June 7, 2007 · No Comments · Musings

Diane Whiting (Liz Lowe on Ramapo Islands) has sent me some of the chat logs from her Health classes in Body Image (please see past postings for lesson outline and procedures) Basically, using the pods, each day the kids designed their avatar differently – to reflect their perceptions of self, of beauty as it is porttrayed in the media, as cross-gendered impressions, and finally as their desired appearance in the virtual world. They explored many important issues relevent to adolescence and self-image. I think they were nothing short of brilliant and that these transcripts truly reflect the power of the virtual world to stimulate discussion on a more meaningful level, and to provide visual stimuli, interraction and immersion in otherwise unaavailable realms of experience. They are completely unedited and rather lengthy – as they reflect a full 45 minute cllass period. Tell us what you think!
R[6:22] Rawiszer Hillburn: yes use avater name
[6:22] Mormile Hillburn: everyone thinks i am prettiy
[6:22] Mccormick Hillburn: Stop laughing. Don’t hate me cuz u aint me
[6:22] You: Stop messing around McCormick
[6:22] Mccormick Hillburn: ok
[6:23] Remmell Hillburn: lets start talking people
[6:23] Mccormick Hillburn: ok
[6:23] Chinkan Hillburn is Online
[6:23] You: I didn’t receive the discussion questions so somebody else start off
[6:23] Remmell Hillburn: who wants to start
[6:23] Mormile Hillburn: i rather stay with my own image because i feel that i am beautiful in my ow way
[6:23] Remmell Hillburn: samee here
[6:23] Remmell Hillburn: i could care less what the media says
[6:23] Rawiszer Hillburn: dud you want to change your avater or would you rather stay with your own image?
[6:23] Mormile Hillburn: same
[6:23] You: I had no problem with my old image, but I have to admit i like the new one
[6:24] Mormile Hillburn: if they compare themselves 2 the meadia they would be ugly
[6:24] Remmell Hillburn: i want to put my person back to the way there were cause it looks like mine is like gunna die from being to thin
[6:24] Mormile Hillburn: lol
[6:24] Mccormick Hillburn: I really don’t care. They are both different.
[6:24] Rawiszer Hillburn: I like my new avater but my old one represents me. My new avater is too “perfect”
[6:24] You: Ya there’s no way I could be this jacked in real life
[6:24] Mccormick Hillburn: me 2
[6:24] Mormile Hillburn: yea i know the media is stupied for the way they show yound women they way they look
[6:25] Remmell Hillburn: yeahh thats right
[6:25] Mormile Hillburn: they should show real women not skinny all the time
[6:25] You: The people don’t even look that way, anyway
[6:25] Mccormick Hillburn: men don’t have to look like captain America
[6:25] You: it’s all makeup and editing
[6:25] Rawiszer Hillburn: yea very stupid, they change the aperrances and other stuff to make them look deathly skinny
[6:25] Remmell Hillburn: i no it i sso stupid
[6:25] Mormile Hillburn: Fat isnt good but ppl gotta face the facts tht were not all beauty modls
[6:25] You: But to is, it’s still attractive
[6:25] You: *us
[6:26] Mormile Hillburn: yea but thts wat the media is showing
[6:26] Remmell Hillburn: who cares
[6:26] Remmell Hillburn: what the media says
[6:26] Mormile Hillburn: so wat fat ppl have to alone the rest of there lives
[6:26] Mccormick Hillburn: Let’s face it, only JZ get Beyonce
[6:26] You: The reason they portray beauty that way is because people like that
[6:26] You: Why do you think everyone shops at Abercrombie or Hollister?
[6:26] Liz Lowe: I’m here. How’s it going?
[6:26] You: They want to look like the models
[6:27] Rawiszer Hillburn: Good Low
[6:27] Remmell Hillburn: i like going there cause i liek how thr cothing looks
[6:27] You: It’s going good
[6:27] Mormile Hillburn: yea but if the media shows more meat on some of the gurls it wouldnt be so bad
[6:27] Rawiszer Hillburn: Yes people shop there because they care about there apperance
[6:27] Mccormick Hillburn: I don’t. I get my clothes from sporting events, and bar mitzvas
[6:27] Remmell Hillburn: i think that would be good
[6:27] Remmell Hillburn: oohhh
[6:27] Liz Lowe: Excellent! Your chat looks very interesting. Good work!
[6:27] Mormile Hillburn: thanks
[6:27] Rawiszer Hillburn: Yes we are good at “chatting”
[6:27] Remmell Hillburn: :p
[6:27] Rawiszer Hillburn: :D
[6:27] Mormile Hillburn: LOL
[6:27] Mormile Hillburn: =)
[6:28] Remmell Hillburn: ::pp
[6:28] Rawiszer Hillburn: :>
[6:28] You: So what did you guys change about your avatars to make them look good?
[6:28] You: In the media’s POV
[6:28] Mccormick Hillburn: I am taller now
[6:28] Remmell Hillburn: i put my person way o skinny
[6:28] Rawiszer Hillburn: I added muscle, taller, and blonda hair
[6:28] Remmell Hillburn: to*
[6:28] You: I’m taller, thinner, more muscular, have less hair
[6:28] You: My clothes are different
[6:28] Mccormick Hillburn: I have a gotee
[6:28] Rawiszer Hillburn: me 2
[6:28] Remmell Hillburn: im taller and skinnyer
[6:29] Rawiszer Hillburn: lol mccormick :P
[6:29] Mccormick Hillburn: I look like tom cruise
[6:29] You: My cheekbones are higher and I have a more defined face
[6:29] Mormile Hillburn: When the media shows thin women (SUPER THIN) they are showing tht there is no way in the world that ppl who dont have there ribs are attracttive
[6:29] Rawiszer Hillburn: ll
[6:29] Rawiszer Hillburn: *lol
[6:29] Rawiszer Hillburn: True mormile
[6:29] Mormile Hillburn: thanx
[6:30] Rawiszer Hillburn: Next question is were you surprised with what some of your classmates defined as beuty? explain
[6:30] You: Are you more “cpmfortable” with the way you look, or did you have no problem before?
[6:30] Mccormick Hillburn: No. Everyone sees the same commercials every day.
[6:31] You: I knew what basically everyone would look like
[6:31] Rawiszer Hillburn: skinny…. etc
[6:31] Remmell Hillburn: they all want to be thin
[6:31] Remmell Hillburn: well for girls
[6:31] Mormile Hillburn: Tenore wat would your dream women b
[6:31] Rawiszer Hillburn: lol
[6:31] Rawiszer Hillburn: good question
[6:31] You: I like tall blondes
[6:32] Rawiszer Hillburn: :P
[6:32] Rawiszer Hillburn: no comment
[6:32] Remmell Hillburn: why tall
[6:32] You: ‘Cause I’m tall
[6:32] Remmell Hillburn: so
[6:32] Rawiszer Hillburn: true dat
[6:32] Remmell Hillburn: it does not matter
[6:32] Mccormick Hillburn: He doesnt want a munchkin
[6:32] Rawiszer Hillburn: lol
[6:32] Rawiszer Hillburn: :P
[6:33] Remmell Hillburn: =]
[6:33] You: What about you guys?
[6:33] Mormile Hillburn: louis wat type of gurl do you like
[6:33] Rawiszer Hillburn: no real names
[6:33] Mccormick Hillburn: Crmen Electra is hot
[6:33] Rawiszer Hillburn: avater names
[6:33] You: Yes!!!!
[6:33] Rawiszer Hillburn: true dat
[6:33] Remmell Hillburn: woooww
[6:33] Mormile Hillburn: BRAD PITT IS HOTTT
[6:33] Remmell Hillburn: oh yes
[6:33] Rawiszer Hillburn: ewww brad pitt
[6:33] You: Stop using the word hot
[6:33] Mccormick Hillburn: brad pitts a loser
[6:33] Remmell Hillburn: okay
[6:34] Rawiszer Hillburn: what word hot?
[6:34] Rawiszer Hillburn: hot hot hot
[6:34] You: And brad pitt is a terrible role mdel to have
[6:34] Mccormick Hillburn: hotness
[6:34] Rawiszer Hillburn: true dat
[6:34] Remmell Hillburn: PICK A NEW THING TO TALK ABOUT PEOPLE
[6:34] Mormile Hillburn: how could u say tht
[6:34] Mormile Hillburn: okay
[6:34] You: Thatnk you
[6:34] Mccormick Hillburn: hot
[6:35] Aronoff Hillburn is Offline
[6:35] You: What about your dream people?
[6:35] Mccormick Hillburn: warm
[6:35] Mccormick Hillburn: chilly
[6:35] You: It’s ok to have preferences
[6:35] Mccormick Hillburn: Ill stop
[6:35] Remmell Hillburn: okay good
[6:35] Remmell Hillburn: lol =]
[6:36] Mormile Hillburn: my dream people have to nice to me knda tall loveable n cute brown hair playes sports…
[6:36] Mccormick Hillburn: stop with the -}
[6:36] Remmell Hillburn: mine would be nice loves to talk and just being them selfs
[6:36] Remmell Hillburn: i could care less aout how tall they are or how short
[6:36] Mccormick Hillburn: me 2
[6:36] Mormile Hillburn: yea i agree
[6:36] You: It’s ok to have a dream person. The question is, is the media affecting that vision?
[6:36] Remmell Hillburn: not at all
[6:37] Rawiszer Hillburn: Yep
[6:37] Rawiszer Hillburn: lol
[6:37] Mormile Hillburn: yea some of it
[6:38] Mormile Hillburn: great talk everyone
[6:38] Mccormick Hillburn: yea

[6:05] Liz Lowe: Please switch your headings so they say “looking good”, not literary analyst, etc
[6:08] Liz Lowe: Your images should still look human. It’s what you would see in a magazine or on TV
[6:10] Rodriguez Hillburn is Offline
[6:10] Aronoff Hillburn is Offline
[6:12] Rodriguez Hillburn is Online
[6:13] You: rodriguez u wanna race
[6:13] Rodriguez Hillburn: im guessing thats what i like
[6:14] Rodriguez Hillburn: with what
[6:14] You: i dunno just fliying up to the podium thng and back
[6:14] Zabler Hillburn is Online
[6:14] Rodriguez Hillburn: ok thats here right
[6:14] You: Ya
[6:15] You: go
[6:16] Cancelled Sit
[6:17] Aronoff Hillburn is Online
[6:17] You: ok whos a three, im leader
[6:17] Rawiszer Hillburn: lala
[6:17] Malm Hillburn: whos the leader
[6:17] Bernstein Hillburn: im leader for 5
[6:17] Liz Lowe: all leaders, please announce yourselves
[6:17] Malm Hillburn: ok
[6:17] Bernstein Hillburn: jon b is leader
[6:17] Remmell Hillburn: help me i cant sit down
[6:17] Zysman Hillburn: no ima 1
[6:17] Rubenoff Hillburn: who is the leader 4 group 5
[6:17] Lynch Hillburn: im a leader
[6:17] You: i am leader of 3
[6:17] Mcenery Hillburn: lets go up
[6:17] Malm Hillburn: jon
[6:17] Rubenoff Hillburn: for wht group
[6:17] Rawiszer Hillburn: who is the leader of 4
[6:18] Malm Hillburn: 5
[6:18] Tenore Hillburn: im leader of 4
[6:18] Rubenoff Hillburn: RYYYANNNNN
[6:18] Ryan Hillburn: hueeeellllooo
[6:18] Carew Hillburn: i’m so alone
[6:18] Subhedar Hillburn: which pod am i at
[6:18] Rubenoff Hillburn: RRYYYANNNN
[6:18] Subhedar Hillburn: Clifford
[6:18] Malm Hillburn: ryan
[6:18] Ryan Hillburn: heeellooo againm
[6:18] Rubenoff Hillburn: heyyyy
[6:18] Ryan Hillburn: whatss goiinn on
[6:18] Rubenoff Hillburn: we r in the same pod haha
[6:18] Mormile Hillburn: hello sam
[6:18] Rubenoff Hillburn: idk
[6:18] Bernstein Hillburn: is everyone here for pod 5
[6:18] Remmell Hillburn: hheyyy
[6:18] Magliano Hillburn: where is everybody?
[6:19] Rubenoff Hillburn: idk
[6:19] You: ok is every1 in the pod
[6:19] Liz Lowe: please go up as soon as you’re ready
[6:19] Magliano Hillburn: we need to go up
[6:19] Rothmann Hillburn: i don’t knoe
[6:19] Rothmann Hillburn: w
[6:19] Rubenoff Hillburn: lets go
[6:19] Subhedar Hillburn: yes
[6:19] Remmell Hillburn: who else is in group 4
[6:19] Ryan Hillburn: i dont knoe ether
[6:19] Mcenery Hillburn: if you are in group 3 get to the pod
[6:19] Tenore Hillburn: should we go up?
[6:19] Magliano Hillburn: no ones here
[6:19] Malm Hillburn: lets go
[6:19] Rubenoff Hillburn: ok\
[6:19] Rawiszer Hillburn: if you are in group 4 come sit
[6:19] Bernstein Hillburn: were going up
[6:19] Mcenery Hillburn: who is the leader of group 3
[6:19] Subhedar Hillburn: should we go up
[6:19] Mccormick Hillburn: Can anyone see me, because Nick can’t
[6:19] Ryan Hillburn: lets flyy awaayyy
[6:19] Platform-Three whispers: Platform-Three now ascending.
[6:20] You: ok guys
[6:20] Mcenery Hillburn: okay
[6:20] Subhedar Hillburn: descend the pod
[6:20] You: we are full so i assume every1 is here
[6:20] Zabler Hillburn is Offline
[6:20] You: im not descending
[6:20] Subhedar Hillburn: no go down
[6:20] Mcenery Hillburn: why
[6:20] Song Hillburn: who is the leader
[6:20] Subhedar Hillburn: please im at the wrong one
[6:20] You: we have a full pod
[6:20] You: then get up and drop down
[6:20] You: it wont crash
[6:20] Subhedar Hillburn: go down i should be at one
[6:20] Keppler Hillburn: w/e just start discussing
[6:21] Rodriguez Hillburn: I would rather stay with my regular avatar, i coul;dnt change much except for fat
[6:21] You: ya subhedar just go
[6:21] Keppler Hillburn: what about fat ?
[6:21] You: OK guys
[6:21] Mcenery Hillburn: subheda stand up
[6:21] Rodriguez Hillburn: how skiny you are
[6:21] Nasar Hillburn: i made myself alot skinnier and taller
[6:21] Subhedar Hillburn: im staying
[6:21] You: yeah just go to your group
[6:21] You: ok thats fine
[6:21] Nasar Hillburn: and put alot of makeup on
[6:22] Keppler Hillburn: everybodu stand up so that we can see
[6:22] Mcenery Hillburn: i made myself muscular
[6:22] You: Ya i made my guy alot more thin, and muscula
[6:22] Subhedar Hillburn: i made mt ears smaler
[6:22] Rodriguez Hillburn: me too
[6:22] Song Hillburn: did anyone want to stay with their regular appearance
[6:22] Keppler Hillburn: i made myself thinner and taller
[6:22] Nasar Hillburn: me too
[6:22] Keppler Hillburn: and changed my hair
[6:22] Rodriguez Hillburn: yeah i still look kinda the same
[6:22] Nasar Hillburn: i changed my eyes
[6:22] Song Hillburn: i made myself taller and muscular
[6:22] You: I didnt keep my regular appearence, because by media definition, im pretty gross looking
[6:22] Subhedar Hillburn: me too
[6:23] Mcenery Hillburn: i changed my hair a lot and made it longer in the back and the front
[6:23] Mcenery Hillburn: same here clifford
[6:23] You: lol
[6:23] Keppler Hillburn: i wanted to change because its funner to be what everybody thinks is beautiful
[6:23] Keppler Hillburn: you cant be self consious
[6:23] Rodriguez Hillburn: yup
[6:23] You: No, i thin that beauty is not a truely expessionist thing
[6:24] Mcenery Hillburn: it depends on what everyone thinks is beautiful and what you think is beautiful
[6:24] Keppler Hillburn: explain
[6:24] Keppler Hillburn: never mind
[6:24] You: You dont find it etertaining, you just arent comfortable with who you are
[6:24] Mcenery Hillburn: they can be totally different
[6:24] Subhedar Hillburn: beaty is just not shape and looks
[6:24] Nasar Hillburn: ok wut do you think we get all of our ideas of beauty from?
[6:24] Keppler Hillburn: but nobody is totally comfortable with how they look
[6:24] Subhedar Hillburn: rom the media/advertisments
[6:24] You: if, you make an avatar like yourself, it sas alot about youre character
[6:24] Mcenery Hillburn: magizines and movies
[6:24] Nasar Hillburn: yeah
[6:24] Rodriguez Hillburn: true who do you see on tv?
[6:24] Nasar Hillburn: but beaty is in the eye of the beholder
[6:25] Song Hillburn: magazines, tv and movies
[6:25] Subhedar Hillburn: models and actresses
[6:25] Nasar Hillburn: skinny tall ppl
[6:25] You: not nessecarily “just like you” but containing some of your faults
[6:25] Keppler Hillburn: were teenagers and expecially girls are all self consious right now
[6:25] Nasar Hillburn: yep
[6:25] Rodriguez Hillburn: the only time i see fat women is on the street or on comedies made fun of
[6:25] Keppler Hillburn: it says nothing about your character
[6:25] You: people just dont care about health anymore
[6:25] Liz Lowe: Looks like having good discussion!
[6:25] Nasar Hillburn: i knoww
[6:25] Mcenery Hillburn: i would say yes but it depends on what they feel is self concious
[6:25] Nasar Hillburn: woo! lol
[6:25] Nasar Hillburn: yeah
[6:26] You: aot of what people do can kill them, but they do it because it will make them look “better”
[6:26] Rodriguez Hillburn: heck yeah
[6:26] Liz Lowe: Could someone please TP Chinkan?
[6:26] Keppler Hillburn: i think overweight people like try to tell themselves that its okay but its not
[6:26] You: I will
[6:26] Liz Lowe: YOu guys are great!
[6:26] Keppler Hillburn: like really overweight i mean
[6:26] Keppler Hillburn: its unhealthy
[6:26] Nasar Hillburn: yeah
[6:26] You: Well, im overweight, however am healthy so yes, it is okay
[6:27] Keppler Hillburn: yes it is but you arent obese at all
[6:27] Subhedar Hillburn: its not bad to be overweight really
[6:27] Keppler Hillburn: i meant obese
[6:27] Subhedar Hillburn: robs not obese
[6:27] Nasar Hillburn: no, its worse being underweight in most cases
[6:27] Keppler Hillburn: i know i said hes not
[6:27] You: well obesity is just another kind of disorder, which stems not really from poor body image, but lack of will
[6:27] Rodriguez Hillburn: obesse is 200pds and over
[6:28] Mcenery Hillburn: but the reason why people who are overweight, like really overweight, not like clifford but bigger, is because that people tell that person that they need to lose weight when that person really dosen’t need to because they feel good about them selve
[6:28] Keppler Hillburn: and you keep hearing about famous people with eating disorders and stuuf but somehow it doesnt discourage girls from undereating
[6:28] You: thats because they still admire those people
[6:28] Subhedar Hillburn: the truth is their not healthy at all(actresses/models)
[6:28] Song Hillburn: maybe it is about stress
[6:28] You: if they jumped off a bridge
[6:28] Keppler Hillburn: yes they think that its not a big deal but it really is
[6:29] You: yeah i mean its not healty to “diet” but people always do it
[6:29] Mcenery Hillburn: the thing that i hate is that when girls are undrweight and they say that they need to lose weight
[6:29] Keppler Hillburn: the media should help us feel more confidant bt they really just do the opposite
[6:29] Rodriguez Hillburn: actually some people commit to diet but say they go to to the dr. again , if he losses weight that person will think he can take breaks and eat bad food more
[6:29] Subhedar Hillburn: its ok to diet but not for bad reason
[6:29] Song Hillburn: were you more or less comfortable in second life
[6:29] You: well, thats like a sigh of anorexia
[6:29] Mcenery Hillburn: \yea
[6:30] Rodriguez Hillburn: i know that
[6:30] Nasar Hillburn: yea
[6:30] Subhedar Hillburn: next q
[6:30] Keppler Hillburn: yeah i know girls who are really really thin and they always complan about how fat they arefor attention
[6:30] You: well dieting, is not okay, but you should be a little constrictive of how much junk you eat
[6:30] Nasar Hillburn: yeah i knoww
[6:30] Chinkan Hillburn: ya
[6:30] Subhedar Hillburn: its not ok for children but it is ok for adults
[6:30] Keppler Hillburn: but almost all 13 year old girls secretly want to lose weight if only in their minds
[6:30] Subhedar Hillburn: clifford
[6:31] Chinkan Hillburn: its not ok for anyone
[6:31] You: not really either tho, it creates a bad inflence for children
[6:31] Song Hillburn: i agree
[6:31] Chinkan Hillburn: ya
[6:31] Nasar Hillburn: yeah
[6:31] You: and is just really not good for you
[6:31] Subhedar Hillburn: no it doesnt
[6:31] Song Hillburn: i think it is for adults
[6:31] Keppler Hillburn: but its not a sign of anorexia if you think youre fat
[6:31] You: how s
[6:31] Mcenery Hillburn: yea, that is what really scares me about how an 80ilb girl needs to be skinnier
[6:31] You: Well if you r skinny, and think youre fat it is
[6:31] Subhedar Hillburn: dieting is just getting in shape…its ok if you dont go to extreme levels
[6:31] Rodriguez Hillburn: thats scary
[6:31] Nasar Hillburn: ppl r so obsessed w/ beng thin tht they dont eat even healty stuff anymore
[6:31] Keppler Hillburn: because then three quarters of the girls i know would be anorexic
[6:32] You: maybe thats the medias fault now isnt it
[6:32] Mcenery Hillburn: yea it is
[6:32] Rodriguez Hillburn: theres rather overweight and underweight people
[6:32] Keppler Hillburn: maybe its normal
[6:32] Keppler Hillburn: up to some extent
[6:32] Subhedar Hillburn: yeah pretty much
[6:32] You: not really a healthy thing none the less
[6:32] You: just because its normal doesnt make it right
[6:32] You: its like nazi germany
[6:32] Mcenery Hillburn: people now think that being skinny is being healthy
[6:32] Keppler Hillburn: yeah but im saying that almost every girl wants to lose a little weight
[6:32] Subhedar Hillburn: its right if u dont go to extreme levels
[6:33] Keppler Hillburn: its not a big deal
[6:33] You: ppl didnt care that they were kkilling others, because it was everyone else was doin to
[6:33] Nasar Hillburn: oo i have a question
[6:33] You: it makes it seem okay
[6:33] Mcenery Hillburn: if you are overweight by like 10ilbs that your fine
[6:33] Keppler Hillburn: it is okay up to some extent
[6:33] Nasar Hillburn: do u think avatars looked better today or yesterday?
[6:33] Mcenery Hillburn: but if you underweight by like 50ilbs than there is something wrong
[6:34] You: you actually, should have a little more weight in many cases
[6:34] You: especially women
[6:34] Nasar Hillburn: yeah
[6:34] Keppler Hillburn: and it really bothers me when people just complain about their weight for attention
[6:34] Rodriguez Hillburn: tyeah
[6:34] Chinkan Hillburn: a
[6:34] Subhedar Hillburn: its good for them
[6:34] You: because you need extra weight to bear children
[6:34] Song Hillburn: i think too much of one thing is bad
[6:34] Keppler Hillburn: and too little
[6:34] Nasar Hillburn: do u think the avatars looks better today or yesterday?
[6:34] Mcenery Hillburn: yesterday
[6:34] You: i dont really
[6:35] Chinkan Hillburn: i think ppl schould be who they r
[6:35] You: I would rather be me, than some media robot which perpetuates steriotypes
[6:35] Aronoff Hillburn is Offline
[6:35] Nasar Hillburn: nicely worded
[6:35] Subhedar Hillburn: agreed
[6:35] You: ty
[6:35] Mcenery Hillburn: yuppers
[6:35] Keppler Hillburn: yesterday they were more varied and today they just look like a bunch of models that we see in the media almost every day
[6:35] Nasar Hillburn: super skinny
[6:35] Chinkan Hillburn: ya
[6:35] Song Hillburn: were you less comfortable in second life in this new image today
[6:35] Rodriguez Hillburn: yeah skinny and muscular
[6:35] Nasar Hillburn: its better to look like us with naturl bodies
[6:36] Keppler Hillburn: no im more comfortable because no one can judge
[6:36] Subhedar Hillburn: id rather be fat than the apperences of models
[6:36] Keppler Hillburn: why ?
[6:36] Song Hillburn: really
[6:36] Nasar Hillburn: just because the media thinks super sknny is the def. of beauty doesnt mean we should all try to starve to achieve tht loiok
[6:36] Mcenery Hillburn: i would rather not try to lose the weight but try to maintain the weight im at insted of gainning or losing weight
[6:36] You: ya why would i want to be me to
[6:37] Keppler Hillburn: im not saying that it should be this way but being attractive does make life easier
[6:37] Subhedar Hillburn: i agree w/ rob m
[6:37] Song Hillburn: who is the leader
[6:37] You: I am
[6:37] Mcenery Hillburn: yea who is
[6:37] You: i got ic
[6:37] Mcenery Hillburn: okay
[6:37] Subhedar Hillburn: the media portraits bad things on people
[6:37] You: yep
[6:37] Chinkan Hillburn: yeah
[6:37] You: okay lets stop
[6:37] Subhedar Hillburn: kool
[6:37] Subhedar Hillburn: good job
[6:37] Mcenery Hillburn: yuppers
[6:37] Chinkan Hillburn: kk
[6:37] Keppler Hillburn: good job guys :)
[6:38] Nasar Hillburn: :)
[6:38] Chinkan Hillburn: bye
[6:38] Nasar Hillburn: tht went good, byez
[6:38] Song Hillburn: who is the leader
[6:38] Rodriguez Hillburn: yeah
[6:38] Subhedar Hillburn: cliffors
[6:38] Keppler Hillburn: goodbye :)
[6:38] Keppler Hillburn is Offline

Ryan Hillburn: so take it awy burnstein bear
[6:20] Rubenoff Hillburn: would you guys rather have the avatar tht looked like u or the one tht definrd beauty
[6:21] Ryan Hillburn: i would like to be prettyful
[6:21] Malm Hillburn: i like are avatar looking like me
[6:21] You: i would want mine to look like me
[6:21] Rubenoff Hillburn: me 2 i think i looked ugly as me
[6:21] Rubenoff Hillburn: who is malm
[6:21] Ryan Hillburn: how no one even loos like they rele di…all he avatars bascly looked the same
[6:21] Malm Hillburn: me
[6:22] Ryan Hillburn: and thats robert
[6:22] Ryan Hillburn: the big guy who dont rele do anthin haha
[6:22] Rubenoff Hillburn: i know its soo weird
[6:22] You: were any of you surprised with what other kids defined as buety
[6:22] Malm Hillburn: yes
[6:22] You: i was to
[6:22] Rubenoff Hillburn: yea some people looked a loittttle strange to wht is ee beauty as
[6:22] Malm Hillburn: yea
[6:23] Rubenoff Hillburn: soooo
[6:23] Rubenoff Hillburn: do u like this activity
[6:23] You: wat activity
[6:23] Ryan Hillburn: so does ur avatar define what u think of beauty as
[6:23] You: kind of
[6:23] Rubenoff Hillburn: well its as closse as its gonna get
[6:23] Malm Hillburn: yea
[6:23] Ryan Hillburn: yup…..
[6:24] Rubenoff Hillburn: yea yea
[6:24] Malm Hillburn: si
[6:24] Rubenoff Hillburn: heyy
[6:24] Ryan Hillburn: heyyyy tht was random were in the midle of a convo and ur like heey
[6:24] Rubenoff Hillburn: heyyyyy
[6:24] You: where do you guys think our images of buety come from
[6:24] Rubenoff Hillburn: i mthought it was cool
[6:25] Rubenoff Hillburn: i think they come from the magazine and tv
[6:25] You: me oo
[6:25] You: to
[6:25] Malm Hillburn: same here
[6:25] Ryan Hillburn: yupp
[6:25] Rubenoff Hillburn: some might come from billboards too
[6:25] Malm Hillburn: i guess so
[6:26] You: were you more comfertable or less in second life in this new image today?
[6:26] Ryan Hillburn: i thuoght it was finee
[6:26] Malm Hillburn: same
[6:26] Rubenoff Hillburn: i think i am morte comfortable with this i image
[6:27] You: it is easier in second life cause you can always change
[6:27] Malm Hillburn: yea
[6:27] Rubenoff Hillburn: yea u can make you lookj like whtever u want
[6:27] Rubenoff Hillburn: hii ryan
[6:27] Rubenoff Hillburn: hehe
[6:28] You: what did you do today to change your avatar
[6:28] Ryan Hillburn: hmmm
[6:28] Liz Lowe: I’m here. How’s your discussion going?
[6:28] Malm Hillburn: good
[6:28] Rubenoff Hillburn: its goig pretty well
[6:28] Ryan Hillburn: yess going well indeed
[6:28] Malm Hillburn: great
[6:28] You: i made my avatar taller and more muscular
[6:28] Liz Lowe: Great! Any comments or questions for me?
[6:28] Rubenoff Hillburn: i made mine skiiner ad more defined
[6:29] Malm Hillburn: i ghanged his cloths
[6:29] Rubenoff Hillburn: i like this project
[6:29] Malm Hillburn: me2
[6:29] Ryan Hillburn: i made mine taller and stronger, made his face beteter
[6:29] Liz Lowe: I’ll be back. Keep up the great work! I’m really glad you like this project!
[6:29] Rubenoff Hillburn: okey dokey smokey bear
[6:29] Rubenoff Hillburn: haha
[6:30] You: do you uguys think the avatars look better today or yesterday and why
[6:30] Rubenoff Hillburn: i think it looked better today because i thought i looked soo ugly and gross yesterday
[6:30] Ryan Hillburn: to be honest its really the same to me becasue i dont really care of wat people think of me
[6:31] Malm Hillburn: not so much me i only changed the cloths
[6:31] You: they all look pretty similar to each other from the day before
[6:31] Malm Hillburn: yep
[6:31] Rubenoff Hillburn: i care about wht people think of me
[6:31] Ryan Hillburn: thats becuz im a guy nd i dontt
[6:31] Rubenoff Hillburn: true true
[6:31] You: i dont care much either rob
[6:32] Ryan Hillburn: like how much tmie does it take u to get ready in the morning
[6:32] You: 5 minutes
[6:32] Rubenoff Hillburn: sometimes it 1.5 to 2 hours
[6:32] Ryan Hillburn: seee
[6:32] Ryan Hillburn: for mee
[6:32] You: sometime 10 minutes
[6:32] Ryan Hillburn: its like 30 seconds
[6:32] Ryan Hillburn: for me
[6:32] Malm Hillburn: 3 mins to 11mins
[6:32] You: very acurate
[6:33] Rubenoff Hillburn: haah well i have to look good when i o out of the house
[6:33] Ryan Hillburn: yahhh and i dont care wat i look like
[6:33] Rubenoff Hillburn: i nknow u dont
[6:33] Malm Hillburn: haha
[6:33] You: me either
[6:33] Ryan Hillburn: hahah oh thanks alot
[6:33] Rubenoff Hillburn: well thats cause u guys r boys
[6:34] Ryan Hillburn: soooo
[6:34] Ryan Hillburn: hahah
[6:34] Rubenoff Hillburn: hahha
[6:34] Ryan Hillburn: at least im beautiful in the insidee :)
[6:34] Ryan Hillburn: hahahah
[6:34] You: very nice ryan
[6:34] Rubenoff Hillburn: do u wish u could look differnt than u look in real life
[6:34] Malm Hillburn: yea ryan
[6:34] You: not really
[6:34] Rubenoff Hillburn: me either
[6:35] Malm Hillburn: same
[6:35] Aronoff Hillburn is Offline
[6:35] You: im fine the way i am
[6:35] Ryan Hillburn: i dont caree realll
[6:35] Ryan Hillburn: stop clapping
[6:35] Ryan Hillburn: hahah
[6:35] Malm Hillburn: ?
[6:35] Rubenoff Hillburn: hahaha
[6:35] Ryan Hillburn: try to wrap this up now theres only 4 more minss
[6:36] Malm Hillburn: k
[6:36] You: do you guys think were done
[6:36] Ryan Hillburn: prety muchh
[6:36] Malm Hillburn: yes
[6:36] Ryan Hillburn: coppyy thttt
[6:36] Ryan Hillburn: but jills still typinn
[6:36] Rubenoff Hillburn: ok so some of us do like the avatars tht look like u are better right
[6:36] Malm Hillburn: si
[6:36] Ryan Hillburn: sure
[6:36] Rubenoff Hillburn: coool
[6:36] You: ill take us down
[6:36] Platform-Five whispers: Platform-Five now descending
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